Curse

Red Intensity · Nov 17, 2009, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Enon

The trick is to remove EDA before he applies the cover enchantment. Works wonders.

More than likely, the derv would cast enough necessary enchantments before rushing into battle. Also, the derv would more than likely have at least one enchantment that has a 1/4 sec cast, so in order to remove EDA while the derv is in your aggro bubble, you must pre-move (my word for removing an enchantment or hex before the cover is applied) the enchant, which is pretty hard, in my opinion.

NoConnection · Nov 17, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

rend enchantments says hi

Seanybabes · Nov 17, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Enon

The trick is to remove EDA before he applies the cover enchantment. Works wonders.

It's hard to unless you have skill which removes 2+ or fast casting because derv can cover with 1/4activation enchant.

Crippie its Tom · Nov 17, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

make EDA a 1-2 second cast time and GG. Bsurge is fine, wont be a big problem for a team if they've got a proper ranger or mes

The Drunkard · Nov 17, 2009, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

Guess what? Me - war - can not kill it cause i am freaken blinded. so I wait as I take 1 damage at a time. OK just then then blind comes off.. what? another creature is there coming out of the ground..no worries. Its lvl 4 too

Wait! BLINDED! AGAIN!!

At this point I can't take your post seriously anymore. If you or a teamate can't bring a condition remover to counter blind then you aren't playing the game right. The intention of the devs was to make you constantly change your skills to suit the environment- not to have a superbuild like sabway.

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

Tormented Sword at it with all my Might. I missed. and misses and missed.

/sigh

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

So after 5 minutes trying to kill 2 lvl 4's outside of ascalon I gave up and just walked to the outpost thinking.. that is the STUPIDEST thing that I hqave EVER HEARD OF IN MY WHOLE DAM LIFE.

I am lvl 20 and I can not even attack a lvl 4????? Its like INVINCABLE

this game is kite

Next time bring a condition remover...you have 32 slots to do so

Blind is far from overpowered before NF because the skills that used them were balanced. NF changed all of that to spamming your skills on recharge.

I'm hoping your post is sarcastic, even though it really doesn't make a point if it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

The trick is to remove EDA before he applies the cover enchantment. Works wonders.

Unless you can time your removal to be before 1/4 of a second so that he can't get off AoS, you're going to have to use rend to get it off.

I'd just make EDA cause blindness with meele damage and BS cause exhaustion with a longer duration. Problem solved.

Regulus X · Dec 25, 2009, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by NoConnection

rend enchantments says hi

Rangers' savage/dshot/mbane sez hai! They could LOLOL spammage @ you and win.

When EDA and BSurgers annoy me, I hop on my Necro and bring both Strip Enchant and Pain of Disenchant to LOL spec them because there's just too little enchant removal left tbh..

Reverend Dr · Dec 25, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Blind already has been toned down. Restoration and blind reducing shields have made most forms of blind not worth bringing. The only forms of blind that are still worth considering are those that can easily be spammed, where the blind derives its power not from the timing of the application but the frequency of the application.

In general the condition runes and easy access to reduce condition shields has not done anything to improve the state of this game. Even as condition removal has gotten easier, we were still given these runes that effectively cut the duration of key conditions. Blind only matters on physicals and every physical runs a restoration rune; effectively every blind skill just had their durations cut by 20%. Does an update to every blind or cripple skills that cuts durations by 20% sound like a good update? Well that exactly what the runes did.

Bsurge and EDA have stayed around because frequency of application is now the only important attribute of any skill that applies a condition. Even the new Bsurge that has even been buffed since it last saw use in GvG meta, is just not as formidable. This isn't just runes+shields, but equipment provides a huge window where parties need not use condition removal every time these conditions are applied.

Bsurge and EDA are much more of a problem in 4v4 arenas, but that is just an attribute of 4v4 arenas.

tl;dr: Get rid of condition runes + condition shields before talking about nerfing a specific condition

NoConnection · Dec 25, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

ever heard about fake casting?
this game isnt made for 1v1, thats why every NON RETARDED team has condition removals

Regulus X · Dec 25, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Crip = -50% IMS
Weakness = -50% Physical Damage
Blind = -90% Miss Rating [HUGE Imbalance]

If it were:

Crip = -50%
Weakness = -50%
Blind = -50%

Then all would be equally balanced! Block and synergetic anti-melee hexes would have to stack in order to maximize output. Blind alone would no longer single-handedly, brainlessly shut down melee anymore.

drkn · Dec 25, 2009, 08:01 PM // 20:01

can you move while crippled?
yes, just slower. it might be painful and all, but you are able to do it.

can you hit while weakened?
yes, just with less damage dealt.

can you see and hit right while blinded?
nope.

should be even 70%/60%/100% following your way of thinking.

blind is fine as it is.
/notsigned, learn to play.

Lishy · Dec 25, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Personally, just in my opinion, but I think blind should be 80% or 75% instead of a random 90%

However, why fix something not broken? We've had blind the way it is for so long. There's no point changing it now.

Regulus X · Dec 25, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Length of it's existence as 90% != "OKAY" [to keep as is]. I say lower it a bit, sit back, and observe the meta shift. It stops abusers from LOL [ab]using EDA/BSurgers, LOLOLing aaaaall the waaaaay hooooome.. as they're currently doing.

Regulus X · Dec 25, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by drkn

can you move while crippled?
yes, just slower. it might be painful and all, but you are able to do it.

can you hit while weakened?
yes, just with less damage dealt.

can you see and hit right while blinded?
nope.

should be even 70%/60%/100% following your way of thinking.

blind is fine as it is.
/notsigned, learn to play.

If learning to play [... 1-1-1-1-1 or blind-blind-blind-blind or L-O-L-O-L-O-L-O-L] means not requiring a brain? ..then I don't want to learn!

Zahr Dalsk · Dec 25, 2009, 10:42 PM // 22:42

How about your bloody monk uses condition removal.

/notsigned

Regulus X · Dec 25, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Dear Zahr Dalsk,

Blind is OVERPOWERED, with a capital "OVERPOWERED".

Reverend Dr · Dec 26, 2009, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Damn, is reducing blind duration by 36% not enough for you?

Really your problems are stemming from 4v4 arenas, not EDA or Bsurge. Look at HA and GvG, EDA is never used and Bsurge is usually not favored over an MoI. Blurred vision has 50% miss rate compared to blind's 90% and its recharge is far greater than bsurge or barbed spear. Yet because blind is reduced by equipment* and condition removal is easy MoI sees far more use than EDA or Bsurge.

*don't try to start an argument about lieutenant's insignias, they aren't considered for use because they aren't worth considering for use

Regulus X · Dec 26, 2009, 04:19 AM // 04:19

@ Rev Dr: I [somewhat] agree with your comment of MoI vs EDA and B.Surge. Blurred is harder to remove than blind, but I've seen EDA used in HA [alot] and makes physical attackers pull their hair! So, you're wrong about it's usages in HA.. but I don't GvG much, so I cannot disprove you at all in that area.

Lieutenant's IS good for W/Rt WoA axe/sword warriors because they can afford the penalty since the double-damaging frenzy IAS has been put to sleep. There's need for stonefist insignias [unless rolling a Coward Warrior], so dreadnoughts can also help compensate with +10 bonus armor vs elemental damage. I personally use B.Rage and rupts + exec. strike for high damages and Godly rupt spammage. I've raped so much with the W/Rt build that within the next hour I saw a swarm of necros, mesmers, bsurgers and EDA's, all packing their entire skillbars with 7 anti melee hexes, every anti-melee spell in the air line, and every tactics block stance you can wrap your mind on, all pommeling ME and not my monk!

Reverend Dr · Dec 26, 2009, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Lieutenant's IS good

yeah man it is so good every warrior is running

And when are you seeing EDA dervs in HA? I saw one team run them for a short while, it took very little time for teams to realize they need to strip it and suddenly the EDA derv has less pressure than an apply ranger with no versitility. If you aren't running deep enchant strips for HA, congrats on losing!

Zahr Dalsk · Dec 26, 2009, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Dear Regulus X,

No one cares about your 1v1 duels.

NoConnection · Dec 26, 2009, 10:19 AM // 10:19

btw weakness is 66% PLUS -1 attribute point on all stats
daze 100% PLUS easily interupted
plus EDA in ha is used in specific build(only one) the fevered dreams/fragility
condition removals are also nice in every team build, if you dont have one you DONT deserve to win ANYTHING